Nova: Picture this: it's 1883, and a man with enormous muttonchop sideburns named Anthony Comstock is describing pornography as a cancer that poisons the nature, enervates the system, destroys self-respect, and leads to practices of most foul and revolting character. Now fast forward to 2016, and the Utah state legislature is passing a resolution declaring pornography a public health crisis, warning about deviant sexual arousal and risky sexual behavior. A hundred and thirty-three years apart, and the arguments are almost identical. That's the fascinating, maddening, and deeply revealing story at the heart of Kelsy Burke's book, The Pornography Wars: The Past, Present, and Future of America's Obscene Obsession.

Nova: : Wait, hold on. I thought we were talking about a book by Carter Smith?

Nova: Ah, great catch. The author is actually Kelsy Burke, a sociologist at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. She spent five years researching this book, conducting more than 90 interviews with everyone from porn performers to anti-porn activists to people struggling with what they call porn addiction. And what she found is that America has been fighting the same battle over pornography for more than 150 years, just with different uniforms.

Nova: : So this isn't just a book about porn. It's about a war that never ends?

Nova: Exactly. And here's the wild part. Burke argues that the two sides in this war, the anti-porn crusaders and the porn-positive advocates, are not actually opposites. They share surprising common ground. They both care about consent, safety, and living a fulfilling life. They both think you shouldn't watch free porn. And they both agree we need to talk to kids about sex. The question is: if they agree on so much, why does the war rage on? That's what we're diving into today.

Nova: : I'm already intrigued. Let's get into it.

Nova: Let's start at the beginning, because Burke makes a compelling case that you cannot understand today's porn debates without understanding their history. The book opens with what she calls the Hundred Years' War on pornography, stretching from the 1870s through the dawn of the internet age.

Nova: : So who fired the first shot?

Nova: That would be Anthony Comstock. He was a Civil War veteran who became a special agent of the U. S. Postal Service and essentially appointed himself America's chief smut hunter. In 1873, he successfully lobbied for what became known as the Comstock Act, a federal law that made it a crime to mail anything deemed obscene. And obscene was defined incredibly broadly. It covered not just pornography but also information about contraception and abortion.

Nova: : Wait, so the Comstock Act is still on the books?

Nova: Parts of it, yes. And that's one of Burke's key points. The legal framework Comstock built in the 1870s remains the bedrock of how America regulates obscenity today. Comstock himself estimated he was responsible for more than 3,500 obscenity convictions before he died in 1915.

Nova: : That's a lot of convictions. But Burke doesn't just tell the story from the enforcer's perspective, right?

Nova: No, and this is where the book gets really powerful. Burke tells the story of Ida Craddock, a spiritualist and sex reformer in the late 1800s who wrote pamphlets for married couples about the importance of foreplay and mutual pleasure. Comstock relentlessly pursued her from Chicago to New York until, facing imprisonment, she died by suicide in 1902. Her public suicide note directly blamed him.

Nova: : That's devastating. And it sounds like this pattern just kept repeating.

Nova: It did. Burke traces it through J. Edgar Hoover, who created the FBI's Obscene File, which by the 1990s contained more than 100,000 cases. Through Charles Keating, who founded Citizens for Decent Literature before becoming infamous for the Savings and Loan scandal. Through Richard Nixon, Jerry Falwell, and the rise of the religious right. The names change, but the moral panic stays the same.

Nova: : And what about the other side? Who was fighting back?

Nova: Burke shows that sexual liberalization kept winning battles even as the forces of reaction never surrendered. The courts gradually narrowed the definition of obscenity. Deep Throat became a cultural phenomenon in 1972. But here's the key insight: the anti-porn movement never died. It just adapted. And that adaptation is where the story gets really interesting in the 21st century.

Nova: One of the most fascinating sections of Burke's book covers what she calls the feminist Porn Wars of the 1980s. This is when the debate stopped being just conservatives versus liberals and became a civil war within feminism itself.

Nova: : I've heard about this. Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon, right?

Nova: Exactly. In 1984, legal scholar Catharine MacKinnon and writer Andrea Dworkin founded Women Against Pornography. Their argument was that pornography is not just immoral, it's fundamentally a civil rights violation against women. They believed porn exploits women, perpetuates rape culture, and that no woman can truly consent to participate in it.

Nova: : And on the other side?

Nova: Sex-positive feminists pushed back hard. They argued that efforts to censor pornography actually made the industry more dangerous for women, especially for transgender women and women of color. They said the anti-porn position was paternalistic and denied women's agency over their own bodies and sexual choices.

Nova: : So this split never healed?

Nova: Not really, and Burke shows how it's actually resurging today. You have Gen Z figures like Billie Eilish calling porn a disgrace and saying it destroyed her brain after she was exposed to it at age 11. You have the puriteens, as some call them, pushing back against sex-positive liberal feminism. Meanwhile, sex workers are arguing that laws like SESTA-FOSTA, which passed in 2018 with widespread bipartisan support to curb online sex trafficking, have actually made their work far more dangerous.

Nova: : How so?

Nova: Burke documents how SESTA-FOSTA shut down online platforms where sex workers could screen clients, share information about dangerous individuals, and build networks of mutual protection. Banks started refusing to open accounts for sex workers. Employers began firing people who did sex work on the side. The law was sold as protecting victims, but sex workers had been warning all along that it would push their work further underground and make them less safe. Nobody listened.

Nova: : That's a recurring theme in this book, isn't it? Nobody listens to the people actually doing the work.

Nova: That's exactly Burke's point. If she had to make one policy recommendation, she says, it would be for legislators to actually listen to sex workers when making laws that affect them.

Nova: Let's talk about the business side, because Burke's reporting here is eye-opening. She reveals that by some estimates, a single company, MindGeek, now called Ethical Capital Partners, controls about 90 percent of all internet pornography.

Nova: : Ninety percent? That's an insane monopoly.

Nova: It really is. Pornhub alone, one of MindGeek's sites, draws a staggering 120 million visitors daily. That puts it above Amazon and Netflix in online traffic rankings. The founder, Fabian Thylmann, sold his share for 73 million euros. And here's the irony: as online videos have proliferated, the industry itself has plummeted for performers.

Nova: : How does that work?

Nova: Burke reports that porn stars who once earned ten thousand dollars a month by shooting a few scenes for major production companies can no longer make a living through commercial porn shoots. The revenue, about 800 million dollars annually by credible estimates, comes from ad revenue and mostly goes to website owners and tech workers, not performers. The model is essentially YouTube for porn: users upload content, the platform monetizes it, and creators get scraps.

Nova: : So the idea that porn is a lucrative career for performers is largely a myth now.

Nova: Exactly. And that connects to another major theme in the book: the rise of the porn addiction recovery industry. Burke is careful here. Porn addiction is not recognized as a disorder in standard diagnostic manuals, and it's hotly disputed among psychologists. But that hasn't stopped a whole industry from emerging around treating it.

Nova: : And this industry is tied to evangelical Christianity?

Nova: Heavily. Burke, who grew up as a born-again Christian herself, documents how the anti-porn movement has rebranded from moral arguments to public health arguments. Sixteen states have now passed resolutions declaring pornography a public health crisis. The language is secular, but the organizations behind these resolutions are often explicitly religious.

Nova: : What does Burke think about the addiction framing?

Nova: She's nuanced. She takes seriously the people who say they feel addicted and whose lives have been disrupted. But she also points out that the recovery industry has its own problems. It presumes men have uncontrollable sex drives and women lack them, so recovery becomes about men as powerful victors over natural urges and women as victims of sexual trauma. As Burke acidly notes, this inadvertently recreates some of the most damaging stereotypes of pornography itself.

Nova: : That's quite a paradox. The cure mirrors the disease.

Nova: And it gets darker. Burke connects these discourses to real-world violence, including the 2021 Atlanta massage parlor shootings, where the perpetrator had sought treatment for porn addiction at a Christian facility. She also traces how movements like NoFap and No Nut November have converged with alt-right and even fascist ideologies, where sexual self-control becomes a tool of political extremism.

Nova: What makes The Pornography Wars truly compelling, beyond the history and the policy analysis, are the human stories Burke collected through her interviews. She spoke with more than 90 people across the entire spectrum, and she lets their complexity shine through.

Nova: : Give me an example.

Nova: There's a woman who produced material for Kink. com who has come to accept that some of her audience was, in her words, rapists or aspiring rapists. But she doesn't renounce her work. Then there's a young woman who became a performer after majoring in women's studies. She endured sexual harassment from her agent and was pressured into a double anal scene despite never having had anal sex before. She ended up in an urgent care facility with an infected rectum.

Nova: : That's horrific. And she left the industry after that?

Nova: That's what you'd expect, right? But no. She stayed. She's jaded, she's critical, and she's now independent on OnlyFans, but she still defends sex work as a legitimate labor sector. Burke lets that ambivalence hang in the air without resolving it. She's not trying to give you a neat moral.

Nova: : What about the anti-porn side? Does she find nuance there too?

Nova: Absolutely. She profiles a young recovery coach who turned his own experience with what he calls porn addiction into a career helping other men. She attends both anti-porn and sex-positive conferences and notes wryly that both sides share an affinity for dreary airport hotels. She finds that many people on the anti-porn side are genuinely motivated by compassion, even if she disagrees with their methods.

Nova: : And what about the common ground she identifies?

Nova: This is where Burke's argument gets really interesting. She identifies three points of near-universal agreement. First, it's a bad idea to keep porn habits hidden. Second, we need to talk to kids about sex and porn, especially given how young they're encountering it. Burke notes that many Americans are now between 10 and 15 years old when first exposed to porn. And third, nobody should be watching free porn.

Nova: : Wait, both sides agree on that last one?

Nova: Yes, but for different reasons. The anti-porn side says don't watch free porn because they don't want you watching any porn at all. The porn-positive side says don't watch free porn because those streaming sites exploit performers and only enrich the platform owners. Different motivations, same conclusion.

Nova: : That's actually a pretty powerful point of leverage for change.

Nova: It is. And Burke argues that both sides also share deeper concerns about safety, consent, the risk of violence, and sexual health for sex workers. The tragedy is that the polarization is so intense that these areas of agreement get buried under the culture war rhetoric.

Nova: So where does all of this leave us? Kelsy Burke doesn't pretend to have easy answers. The porn wars, she suggests, may never end. American sexual culture is caught within deep historical contradictions that might be irresolvable. But she does offer a path forward, and it starts with dislodging the arguments from their emotional force and examining them clinically and dispassionately.

Nova: : Which is easier said than done when we're talking about sex.

Nova: Exactly. But here's what I think is the most valuable takeaway from The Pornography Wars. Burke shows us that the people on both sides of this debate are not caricatures. The anti-porn activist is not just a repressed puritan. The porn performer is not just a victim or a libertine. They are complex human beings navigating a world where sex, money, technology, and morality collide in incredibly messy ways.

Nova: : And the book challenges us to think more deeply about our own relationship with porn.

Nova: Yes. Whether you watch porn or not, whether you think it's empowering or exploitative, Burke's research makes clear that pornography is connected to broader social systems: capitalism, the criminal justice system, media, religion, gender politics. You can't analyze it without considering those connections. And you can't make good policy without listening to the people most affected by it.

Nova: : So what's the one thing you want listeners to take away?

Nova: Burke's own words capture it best. She writes that this is not about directing readers to a single truth about porn, but about challenging the myths that surround pornography itself and the people who have something to say about it. The first step toward progress is curiosity rather than judgment. Watch less, as Burke says, and listen more.

Nova: : That's a challenge worth taking seriously. Thanks for walking us through this, Nova.

Nova: Thanks for the great questions. The Pornography Wars by Kelsy Burke is published by Bloomsbury. It's 352 pages of deeply researched, surprisingly empathetic, and genuinely eye-opening reporting on a topic that touches all of our lives, whether we realize it or not.

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